Minutes of the post-view symposium on "True Love and False Love" by the Coen Brothers

Mina 2021-12-13 08:01:03

Minutes of the post-view symposium on the work "True Love and False Love" by the Coen Brothers
/ Finished by Fan Daming /

Time: December 31, 2011 (Saturday) 10:55-11:25 AM
Venue: Lecture Hall of Henglu Art Museum, No. 202, Nanshan Road, Hangzhou
(Heng Attendance of "Coen Brothers Movie Month" and "True Love and False Love" at Lu Art Movie Bar)
Participants (speaking sequence): Fan Daming, He Ji, Ding Yunzhen, Wu Wei, Chen Xingsheng, Shi Wei, Zhu Xilin
(viewers: Pang Jian, Zhou Jing, Chen Dahan, Zhou Xiaofeng, Ji Bo Qing, Fang Yong roots, Liu Ling hair, gold ting etc.)
Moderator: Fan Daming
recording and record: Wu Wei

film "True false love" theme and significance
Fan Daming: today some units actually work day, not a holiday , Some friends did not come, but there are many people who come here. "Coen Brothers Movie Month" today is the last time. The movie "Money Empire" screened last time has money elements. Today this film still has money elements. It mainly talks about love, money, friendship, law and other issues. The protagonist is a lawyer in a divorce lawsuit, and the heroine is a woman who seeks money by getting married and divorced again and again.
He Ji: Which actor played that oil company boss? Is there no criminal responsibility for that killer? If you are in mainland China, the relationship between the heroine and the heroine cannot be restored.
Fan Daming: I think that from the initial killing to the final non-killing, this film is still a bit like the idea of ​​"Ice and Blood Storm" (the initial set of kidnapping to the idea of ​​not being kidnapped). This film is a bit humorous and interesting. Realistic. Now there are indeed some rich women with some pretty young women who use this as a means of earning a living.
He Ji: In the end, the heroine was cheating the lawyer's money, just like getting an actor to perform a play!
Ding Yunzhen: She is also taking revenge, because in the previous divorce case, the actor helped the heroine’s husband, causing her to cleanse and leave the house, so whether you really love or fake love, she will now take revenge, and finally lead to the man’s love. It's miserable.

Prenuptial agreement and the use of marriage and divorce as a means
He Ji: In fact, it fully proves this point: whether at home or abroad, prenuptial agreement must now be signed. According to the impetuous psychology of contemporary people, this agreement must be signed.
Ding Yunzhen: Now our country stipulates that the older generation buys the house, and it belongs to the older generation? Of course, this is also controversial. This is part of the commodity economy. In the past, when a woman married to a family, she admitted that she was a member of the family. There was no divorce or inheritance problem. Now the original moral relationship is actually destroyed. Marriage is no longer for the purpose of love. Therefore, a group of people have emerged as the times require. They use marriage and divorce as a means to make money. This is also a way to get money. How does this man love her-he wants to kill her, but when she sees that she is rich, he won't kill her.
He Ji: It is one-way for you to think like this. You don't understand men, you don't understand men at all, and it takes a lifetime of suffering if you don't understand men.
Fan Daming: Do you think this actor loves the heroine?
He Ji: Part of the reason for the man is that she has taken a fancy to the woman's money. She lied to an oil company boss. If she had money, it would not be worth killing her.
Fan Daming: Here we avoid the question of what happens after the murder. It should be said that the later section is a bit funny in style, and of course it is also a kind of artistic fiction of the film.
He Ji: The current society is a patriarchal society. I advise those talented women not to marry for the rest of their lives: whoever you fancy to live with him for a period of time, if you think it's not good, you can leave immediately. Of course, it refers to those women with special talents, and most people still marry individuals honestly.

Marriage in modern society and its trend: the person who loves me or the one who loves me Qian
Ding Yunzhen: What will happen to the marriage trend of the whole society in the future?
He Ji: People like Zhang Ziyi and Xu Jinglei don't need marriage.
Ding Yunzhen: They can't find it. I don't know if you love me or love my money.
He Ji: People are different from people. People can’t be compared with people. If you are as talented as Li Qingzhao, or like Zhang Ailing, you don’t need to marry a traitor. It’s not necessary to be the wife of such a person.
Wu Wei: So, Teacher He, doesn't Zhang Ailing love Hu Lancheng very much?
He Ji: That also proves that Zhang Ailing is stupid. Although Zhang Ailing's novels are well written, her physical state is very stupid.

The way of marriage introduction and matchmaking
Fan Daming: Old Chen say a few words.
Chen Xingsheng: This film talks about love and money in the form of a comedy. In the past, the older generation was not as complicated as it is now. As I mentioned earlier, we married and became part of the family. After the death of the husband, he became the first heir, and his children became the second heir. This movie reflects the so-called "love fast food" problem in the form of a comedy, regardless of morality and sexual relations. Now when we watch a movie, we cannot divorce the background and age of the movie story. The economic structure of the United States is much stronger than ours. China is now in line with international standards. Now, how many young people here really have love? It should be said that there is also, my wife is not for money, really, I am an orphan and have nothing.
Fan Daming: You were in Lanzhou Song and Dance Troupe, right?
Chen Xingsheng: Yes, I only fell in love with my wife when I came back to Hangzhou. I also keep pace with the times and can accept some avant-garde ideas. I think it’s good for young people and women nowadays to look for a person in consideration of practical problems. However, "fast food" is not advisable. Love cannot be regarded as "fast food". It is still our old concept, we do not speak from the political system. I'm now a matchmaker for young people, and they ask me to look for it. I have to consider whether she is money and whether he is beautiful for her. If a matchmaker does not do well, he will be "scalped", then hell. The question is how the media will do it. There is a question of money and beauty of people.
He Ji: If it was Mao in the 1950s, it would be okay to be a matchmaker. But now Hu Jintao definitely has to "scalp".
Chen Xingsheng: There must be some ways of introducing marriage in the society. There is it on Wansongling.
He Ji: There are many old men and women on Wansongling who come to talk for their sons and daughters, and in the end they become themselves talking.
Ding Yunzhen: This is also a comedy: the result of a blind date for the children, the old man and the old lady are walking together, you can also write a comedy.
Fan Daming: Lao Zhu say a few words.
Zhu Xilin: You say, I will listen.
Ding Yunzhen: I haven't been here for a long time. Today is the last day. I'm here to say hello to everyone.

Coen brothers work characteristics and style
Shi Wei: to sell the film in front of the pool cleaner's story is a primer, right? Elicit the male protagonist's profession.
He Ji: It was the woman with sunglasses lying on the edge of the swimming pool that was planning behind the scenes. It was actually planned for young women.
Shi Wei: Teacher Fan, let me ask: What are the characteristics of the Coen brothers in this film?
Fan Daming: This film shows that the characteristics of the Coen brothers are not too strong. There are five Saturdays in this "Coen Brothers Movie Month", and there are five in line. Recently they have a movie called "Thunder in the Land". I saw it was not ideal, it was a Western movie style. There is an "Old Nowhere" that won 4 awards in the 80th Oscar Awards. This film has not yet been obtained. So it's on the line for today's movie, you can still watch it, it's comedy style. Last time, "Money Empire" was also a comedy style.
Shi Wei: Are the films of the Coen brothers all comedy style?
Fan Daming: No, on the contrary, as their unique style of films, many of them are tragedies. "Blood Maze" and "Ice Blood Storm" are mainly murderous, with black film elements; "Miller's Crossroads" is a gangster film. The director was not born in a big city. Many movies are set in small towns.

What modern people want to think about is what you want in marriage
Shi Wei: This film still focuses on money, love, and law.
He Ji: What does it mean that the two lawyers snatched the torn thing away?
Fan Daming: I tore it off, there is no agreement document, but there will still be legal consequences.
Shi Wei: Those laws and regulations are very important to the client. The lawyer is to make money, and the client is still based on love.
Fan Daming: It should be right to say that.
Shi Wei: Let me say a few words. Thank you, Teacher Fan, for providing such an opportunity. This is my first time here. I watched Xu Jinglei’s "Intimate Enemy" some time ago, and talked about some of the love between men and women in Chinese society and on the market. As the social level or the legal level and as a couple’s level of communication, these are two levels. Today’s film is somewhat similar to this one, reflecting the social problems of money worship and mistrust between people. What modern people want to think about is what you want in marriage.

Pure love, male love and true love
Fan Daming: It is idealism to think that marriage is pure love as before.
Shi Wei: Nowadays, society is different. There is a lot of pressure on survival and competition. Many practical issues must be considered; if not considered, the happiness of marriage will also be compromised.
Chen Xingsheng: Are Liang Shanbo and Zhu Yingtai considered pure love? The woman is so good to the man. From a certain point of view, it is pure love, with rejection of marriage and abandonment of property.
He Ji: Let me tell you now that Zhu Yingtai is in love with Liang Shanbo, and Liang Shanbo is absolutely not with Zhu Yingtai. Even men and women have not figured out whether it is sympathy or something else...
Fan Daming: As far as this film is concerned, the lawyer, the male protagonist, also sees through the woman, and in a sense thinks that she is of low moral character. But the male protagonist likes the beauty of this woman: you are a beautiful woman, so I like you. This is the nature of men and the motivation of men's love, or it is also an important factor in men's love and marriage.
He Ji: According to the analysis of physiological science, a man likes a woman for at most 13 months. After 13 months, there is no passion, so there is no pure love. A male is one of all animal species on this earth, and he cannot be detached from his animal attributes.
Ding Yunzhen: So according to what you mean, everyone doesn't need to get married-I will be good with you today and I will spend two days with you; be good with him tomorrow, and spend a few days with him. It should be said that there is still true love.

First draft of recording on January 6, 2012, finishing on January 12


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  • Juston 2022-03-25 09:01:09

    The first 5 minutes have a high point, the part of buying each other is very coen, the rest of the time is like a soap opera, but fortunately there are beauties.

  • Tyson 2022-03-28 09:01:03

    Where does the heroine get the money to pretend to be married to an oil rich man. The IQ in the second half of the movie takes a nosedive.

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