The host Northwest is gone
Hello everyone, welcome to the first day of the 22nd Faroe Island Film Festival main competition round table. I am the host. Northwest is gone. The first film we discussed is directed by Kubrick. "Lolita", please first talk about the reasons for the score based on your own site scoring, and briefly talk about your feelings about this movie!
Special guests, we, Minxi
I think this movie has been castrated too seriously. In this era of Hollywood, it is boring to make movies of this theme. This is supposed to be a movie without clothes, but now it is dressed strictly. This Lolita is beautiful, but it doesn't feel lewd enough. It's a bit like taking a picture of Jinpingmei, but it turns out to be all ages, and Pan Jinlian feels like a chaste woman. If I participate in the event, I will give one star. I think that later version of Uncle Tie is more suitable.
Forum guest O. Yin
I gave "Lolita" 2 stars. As a Kubrick fan, I might put it more into the director's creative sequence. This movie can be regarded as a relatively mediocre work by Kuo. It has just broken away from the Hollywood system and has a sense of breakthrough in theme and style. In fact, it does not have the courage to truly "shock the world" (such as the future trilogy). Therefore, the overall Lolita we have seen is still conservative, and there is not much in-depth presentation and analysis of abnormal psychology and bridges. It seems that it is still possible to transplant the story to the relationship between two adults. The film’s excellence lies in the emotions in place and the confrontation between Humbert and Quildy. In the end, Humbert walked into the dazzling array of houses. In fact, he walked into the inner world of gorgeous and unbearable, shot through the portrait of a woman. Queldi is really a murder of self-pedophile desires. In addition, Kubrick's photography, editing, mirroring, and soundtrack have always made me extremely comfortable and immersed. Maybe this is his self-cultivation as a fan.
Souvenir guests Muzhi
I gave "Lolita" 2 stars. Because I watched the 1997 version first, I feel that the two protagonists are not as good as the 97 version.
Special guests, we, Minxi
97 that Lolita is not a big beauty, but she is very lustful. There is also this actor. When I watched "The Birth of a Star", I didn't like him very much.
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Give it 2 points, the craftsmanship conceals a lot of fun and gives people a sense of serious criticism. Compared with other Kubricks, I feel that the perversion inside is very blunt, and it's more like the accusation of having nothing to do with it. I don't like this Kubrick's attitude.
Guest aof
I only gave two points for "Lolita", agreeing with guest Ou, Yin said that it is an extremely mediocre one in Kubrick's sequence of works. Although the visual image of Lolita as the "object of desire" was successfully established, at the end, she managed to get rid of this image, but I did not see the process at all. And Queldi’s appearance in this film did not play a very good role, and the flashback at the beginning gave me an expectation, but this expectation became disappointment as the film progressed.
Special guests, we, Minxi
I heard that Kubrick changed the script drastically?
The representative of the filmmaker, I know her a little bit
It seems that Kubrick almost rewrote Nabokov's script, and the film is quite different from the original.
Forum guest O. Yin
I haven't read the original work. I guess that 62 and 97 may be different from the original.
Assistant Moderator Thousand Oaks
Well, Kubrick wanted to add more psychoanalytic elements to Nabokov's novels.
The host Northwest is gone
Now that everyone has talked about this aspect, let's move on to the first question related to it. This film is adapted from Nabokov's erotic original novel. The subject matter today can be said to be very bold. However, the director deliberately did a lot of blank processing on the erotic part, and would like to ask you how you think about this kind of blanking.
Forum guest O. Yin
I remember changing the age of the heroine from 12 to 14 in order to pass the trial.
Special guests, we, Minxi
In this version, it seems that the male protagonist has no substantial relationship with Lolita?
Forum guest O. Yin
I didn't think that "Lolita"'s non-shooting desire is a kind of blank space, it is simply evasive.
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To agree is to avoid deliberately. Trying to watch other films in his sequence, eroticism can be said to be commonplace.
The representative of the filmmaker, I know her a little bit
Let me add a bit of information: "In order to meet the needs of film releases, Kubrick also used the "Hays Code" (a set of censorship statutes on moral values for American films) to change the age of Lolita in the film from that in the novel. The 12-year-old was changed to 15-year-old."
Moderator Northwest is in naught
The censorship factor is indeed very important, but I think if Kubrick really wants to express his passion, there must be a better way to express it implicitly, rather than being so completely blank. I don’t know what everyone thinks, is it really just a compromise?
Forum guest O. Yin
Maybe his style is still immature at this time. Because before the Glory Road and Spartacus were not very deviant.
Guest aof
When I watched it, I was very anxious, especially when Humbert took Lolita to the hotel for the first time. It was obvious that a malegaze shot performed a movement of taking off his shoes with Lolita's legs as the foreground. And with the appearance of Quildi, the weird temperament made me look forward to it more, but then I learned that Quildi and Lolita were completely behind the screen.
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It shouldn't be a compromise. If he wants to tease, he will play even harder.
The representative of the filmmaker, I know her a little bit
Baidu saw that "In this version of "Lolita", Kubrick deleted Humbert’s foreplay, that is, the early death of his first love, Annabel, when he was twelve years old. This change to the original is of great significance. By shaping Humbert, who is different from the original, a narrative tone that is completely different from that in the literary works was established. Kubrick injected a kind of paranoid spiritual power into the middle-aged man who was crazy in love with Lolita at the beginning of the film. , Making Humbert an image who is lost in pathological obsession and breaks with society, rather than an infatuated man who has never walked out of trauma in the depths of his soul."
Assistant Moderator Thousand Oaks
I don't think it's a compromise. Kubrick wants to portray the character of Lolita in the original book. He wants to portray Humbert who is attracted to Lolita and then examines himself.
Guest aof
Partially agree that the narrative tone and narration of the film are Humbert's.
Moderator Northwest is in naught
In fact, there are some sporadic erotic dramas, such as the drama of the male protagonist giving Lolita a pedicure after the middle elopement, I think it is more desirable.
Guest aof
But the focus of the "pedicure" scene does not seem to fall on "desire", but Humbert's desire to control Lolita gradually strengthened.
Special guest, no one at midnight
Does anyone think Lolita's mother plays well?
Special guests, we, Minxi
Very good, the voice of Faroe Island was performed.
Forum guest O. Yin
The performance is good, the role itself is not pleasing.
Moderator Northwest is in naught
The role of mother may still be of great help in shaping Lolita's character.
Forum guest O. Yin
I want to sleep with you but you want to sleep with my daughter's strange love carrier.
The host Northwest is gone
The next question is, in the process of watching the film, I felt that the director deliberately created a strong sense of absurdity and comedy. Most of it came from the male lead. It was a kind of slightly ugly and ugly manner, which was really funny. But in fact, this story still has a tragic color. I don't know how you think about this contrast. It can be talked about from the characterization of the main male protagonist.
The representative of the filmmaker, I know her a little bit
Do you write grief with Lejing?
Forum guest O. Yin
I think it can be classified as a kind of presentation effect after the analysis of the angle of view focusing on the male lead character.
Special guests, we, Minxi
It may be the actor's pot.
The representative of the filmmaker, I know her a little bit
Is it still a wretched pedophile? Today, the eight groups have already scolded several pages.
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The discussion of morality in literary works is obviously boring to death.
The representative of the filmmaker, I know her a little bit
Laughing, I was just kidding.
Special guests, we, Minxi
This actor doesn't feel very attractive, compared with Uncle 97 Tie.
Moderator Northwest is in naught
There were a few scenes that were very impressive, such as the excitement that he saw Lolita at the beginning and decided to rent in the room. I really thought it was funny.
Souvenir guests Muzhi
Uncle Tie is so infatuated, the actor doesn't feel so loving Lolita when he performs.
Moderator Northwest is in naught
It seems to be more of a desire for control than love.
Souvenir guests Muzhi
In the back, a perverted desire for control feels very annoying.
Moderator Northwest is in naught
I agree with this point.
Guest aof
This film does not seem to make a clear judgment on the emotion between the two of them. The scene where Humbert met Lolita for the first time was a very obvious male gaze. It may be said that the moment he decided to rent a house was a bit wretched. But the overall character image is not trivial, but a cowardly image of a man who is occupied by the desire to control.
Moderator Northwest is in naught
That might still be the actor's pot.
The host Northwest is gone
The next problem is that there is a reversal at the end of the movie. In fact, Lolita herself is not completely controlled by the male protagonist like the male protagonist K Wei, but instead uses and escapes from the male protagonist to live her own life. The truth was revealed when the Lord met her again. The film presents the disappointment and despair of the hero at this moment. In fact, there is a theme that can be extracted here, that is, control and anti-control. I think this is also one of the more brilliant points of the movie. It is not completely limited to the love relationship between the two people, but to introduce such a unique relationship. I would like to ask you how you think about the understanding of the plot after this reversal. It seems that many people think it is a failure?
Special guests, we, Minxi
I think this reversal is necessary, but another reversal is missing, that is, Lolita finally died of dystocia. This reversal will make me feel even more "all beauty and sorrow." There is no such plot in this edition, so it is very positive?
Forum guest O. Yin
Why is it a failure? Compared to control and anti-control, I prefer to interpret it as a failure of control. Looking back, I find that my hard work is a complete blow to cotton, and I have failed in everything I do. , Because I don’t have that need in this relationship, so I feel a sense of loss.
Assistant Moderator Thousand Oaks
Many people understand control and anti-control as Kubrick's political metaphor. Old Europe was seduced by young America. But this layer actually has the original work. Kubrick probably didn't remove this layer from the novel because he hated Hollywood.
Moderator Northwest is in naught
Yes, I also saw this interpretation. The American cultural symbol on Lolita.
Assistant Moderator Thousand Oaks
Yes yes, I just wanted to say this.
Forum guest O. Yin
The political metaphor is not seen.
Special guests, we, Minxi
The political metaphor is not seen.
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Did not see it.
Souvenir guests Muzhi
Did not see it.
Guest aof
The political metaphor is not seen. This reversal was not better. Lolita was not punished for resisting the "male gaze," but instead allowed Humbert to assassinate Queldi and let her dig her own grave.
Moderator Northwest is in naught
If Lolita's behavior is completely understood as seducing and using the male lead, it may not be reasonable. So in my opinion, this level of interpretation is actually not accurate enough. Does anyone want to add?
Special guests, we, Minxi
there is none left.
The host Northwest is gone
Okay, let's move on to the last question. Everyone also talked about the 97 edition and the original work before. So I want you to talk in detail about the comparison between the 62nd and 97th editions and the original works, whether they are good or bad or feature bias.
Assistant Moderator Thousand Oaks
I have only read the original work, and the 97 edition should have no impression.
Forum guest O. Yin
I have read the 97 edition and never read the original.
The representative of the filmmaker, I know her a little bit
Have you ever watched other movies of this kind of relationship between old and young women?
Souvenir guests Muzhi
"lover"? Not many people seem to be young.
Guest aof
"Hatelli"?
Forum guest O. Yin
Why did I think of "Heavenly Bath", haha.
Assistant Moderator Thousand Oaks
In the novel, the hero's passion for love is obvious. The most famous sentence "Lolita, the light of my life, the fire of desire." and the description of sex. The male protagonist definitely has an overwhelming love for Lolita. But the Kubrick version of control and Humbert's love for Lolita, who was robbed of control by Lolita, are not obvious.
The representative of the filmmaker, I know her a little bit
Although this Lolita doesn't seem to be very artistic, it seems that Lolita's box office has exploded, and the heroine has also become popular. It can only be said that God is fair. If you open a door, you will close a window.
Moderator Northwest is in naught
Regarding "Lolita", do you have anything else to say in the end?
Special guests, we, Minxi
"Lolita" is a film that needs to bravely stand on the street, but is tightly wrapped.
The representative of the filmmaker, I know her a little bit
Slay
Assistant Moderator Thousand Oaks
This one still highlights the female consciousness more.
Guest aof
I thought it was Van Hoven's "Instinct" movie, but it turned out...
The representative of the filmmaker, I know her a little bit
"It is worth mentioning that although the original author Nabokov was not stingy about the film and Kubrick in the early days of the film’s release, two years later, he published what he had not adopted by Kubrick. The script of the movie also stated that the library version was biased in the performance of the original, and did not express the most important spiritual connotation in the original novel. "This is actually very funny, the original author repeatedly jumped horizontally.
Forum guest O. Yin
The breakthrough of "Lolita" is not worthy of its praise. On the one hand, it has the light of Kubrick, and on the other hand, it has benefited from the early shooting.
Moderator Northwest is in naught
Kubrick's "Lolita" is more rational and speculative, focusing more on control rather than passionate emotions.
Special guests, we, Minxi
Personally, I think this subject should be photographed in a hot wind, and the feeling of moths fighting against the fire is right.
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