/ Organized by Fan Daming /
Time: 11:23-12:03 am, April 18, 2015 (Saturday)
Location: Henglu, No. 202, Nanshan Road, Hangzhou The lecture hall on the ground floor of the art museum
(the scene after the viewing of Milos Foreman's work "The Most Poisonous Woman's Heart" in Henglu Art Film Bar)
Participants: (Preface) Fan Daming, Jin Aiwu, Yu Xiangshuo, Zhao Yining, Wang Xiling, Du Sumei, Zhu Ming , Ma Huijie, Chi Yunfei, Cao Weifen, Sun Fengfeng, He Ji, Chen Hua, Fu Peiying, Tang Rong, Zhang Xiaoping, Zhao Lingling, Wu Wanqin, Huang Fangyue (Viewers: Zhang Yuguang, Zhu Jianyun, Ren Tongan, Wang Weiwei, Wang Yuefang, Wang Wenren, Ren Tongyu , Jiang Tianhong, Ji Boqing, Weng Xiliang, Fan Dayin, Lu Xin, Wang Yuxiang, Wan Bangyan, Ren Zaijing, Zhang Huifen, Zhu Faqing, Zhang Qin, etc.)
Moderator: Fan Daming Record
: Huang Fangyue
Mang, using the name of the male protagonist of the Viscount
Van Damien: Milos Foreman is a Czech world-class film master. His "Mozart Biography" was shown last week. Today the film looks equally extraordinary. The story skeleton of the film has been adapted and put on the screen or stage many times: the earliest French version of the film during the New Wave period in 1959, the background time was transplanted to the modern age; in 1985, the Royal Shakespeare Company of the United Kingdom adapted the novel into a stage play, retaining the original work. With the background of the times, it has performed no less than 2,000 times in the West London Theatre. They all originate from the 1782 epistolary novel Dangerous Relations by the 18th-century French writer Pierre Choderlos de Laclos. It is said that Foreman's 1989 version of the film (originally titled: Valmont) was robbed of the limelight by the Hollywood film "Dangerous Relationships", which was released a year earlier, affecting his box office receipts. In fact, in terms of artistic level, including restoring the true nature of the original, Forman's film is definitely better. The title of "The Most Poisonous Woman's Heart" may come from Hong Kong, which is too straightforward and may not be appropriate; the title of the film Valmont taken by Furman, the literal translation is "Falmont", which is the viscount male protagonist in the film. name. In our film today, the subtitles translate the name of the viscount as "Villemont", if from the French pronunciation, the translation of "Farmand" may be more accurate. This novel was remade and adapted, followed by the famous film "Scandal" shot in South Korea in 2002; in China, the film "Dangerous Relationship" of the same name was also adapted and shot. Filmed in Singapore, the background was moved to Shanghai in the 1930s, and Cecilia Cheung, Zhang Dongjian and Zhang Ziyi starred in the leading roles - Zhang played the role equivalent to the judge's wife in this film. But if you watch this film, I don't think other films except the Korean "Scandal" will be ignored.
The heroine Mrs. Melday's performances and expressions are very rich, showing the complex personality of the characters
Jin Aiwu: The film is actually an emotional game. The heroine, Mrs. Melday, is a widow, but she is still young. She felt a sense of crisis, and with her experience, playing games among several parties, it was of course a tragedy for herself in the end. She is good at playing tricks and strategies, but there is also a pure place. According to the character's character, Mrs. Melday's performances and expressions are very rich, showing the complex personality of the character. In fact, she wants to balance what she lost in the past through the contributions of others today. The various love scenes provided by the film became the stage for her to fully demonstrate her desires and strategies. It's a role in what it's supposed to be. The dialogue in the film is well written, expressing the true feelings, love, slickness and helplessness of many characters.
In fact, all the characters in the film belong to the same type of people, except for the judge's wife,
Yu Xiangshuo: the whole film is very delicate, such as the costumes, the heroine's costumes in different environments are different. In terms of character image, all the characters in the film actually belong to the same kind of people (Fan Daming: they are all playing emotional games), with the exception of the judge's wife. She is really a person with true feelings, and at the end, she silently offered a flower on the tomb of Viscount Falmand.
Although Viscount Falmand has a woman, he has no real male friends who can be called brothers. This is his tragedy
. Zhao Yining: During the duel, why did Viscount Falmang let three indecent characters in the hotel be witnesses?
Van Damien: It just means that there is no suitable person around him to act as a collaborator for his duel. This also shows from a perspective that although he has a female predestined relationship, he does not have a real male friend who can be called a brother. This is his tragedy. This situation has actually heralded his final defeat in the duel.
People always cultivate themselves in the society in which they live. The same is true in our society today
Wang Xiling: The whole society, whether it is the upper class or the lower class, the actual situation is like this. This story is exquisitely written, and it is not easy for people to really control themselves in society. Everyone’s path seems to be different, but it’s actually pretty much the same. Here, the judge's wife looks very noble. Of course, in the end, in such an environment, she was forced to the point of being helpless, and what she paid was her true feelings. People always cultivate themselves in the society in which they live. Such a situation does not necessarily refer to any society, but our society today is also the same.
In a specific social context, whether love or marriage, ultimately succumbs to various relationships in social reality
: the film writes about the love, marriage, and family of the aristocratic class in the 18th century. The director has skill and artistic pursuit. In a specific social context, no matter love or marriage, it is still a variety of relationships that succumb to social reality in the end. For example, the marriage must be matched, etc. The plot arrangement and rhythm of the film are very good.
The poison of "the most poisonous woman's heart" is not fabricated out of thin air, but inspired by the good and evil in people's hearts after discovering their weaknesses.
Zhu Ming: Like the classic films we have watched in the past, the pictures, colors, music, costumes, etc. Aesthetically pleasing to look at. The so-called "most poisonous woman's heart", this poison is not fabricated out of thin air or simply fabricated, but inspired by the good and evil in people's hearts after discovering their weaknesses. For example, for the love relationship between the music teacher and the girl Cecil, the heroine knows how to control people's psychology, so as to achieve her intended purpose.
Two supporting female figures: Cecil's mother and Farmand's old aunt
Fan Daming: Although the image of Cecil's mother in the film is a supporting role, the actor she plays is extremely skilled, and her character performance is brilliant. It should be said that she loves her daughter very much. In order to keep her clean, she puts her under the control of a monastery; considering her daughter's marriage, she finds a rich man who is right for her as a husband. Once watching a play, she was worried that her daughter was at home alone, she could give up watching the play and hurried home; once asked Mrs. Melday to take her daughter to the suburbs, she was worried and rushed to the suburbs to visit her daughter in person. Both of her actions showed a certain sensitivity and vigilance that a mother has naturally for her beloved daughter, reflecting the true degree of her care. However, both times she was a step late, so she failed to obtain the truth, but she was deceived by Madame Melday's tricks, and achieved the latter's purpose of revenge on her old lover. Cecil's mother's only success was to crack the secret of her daughter's love letter to the music teacher, but it was obtained by immorally copying the key to her daughter's private bookcase (also obtained by Mrs. Melday by deceiving her daughter's trust). May's whistleblower information obtained). She doesn't care whether her future son-in-law has ever had a lover, as long as he has status and money, that is, he can make his daughter a good match. Of course, in the end she achieved her goal. The image of Cecil's mother is very individual, and all her actions actually represent the position of the French aristocracy that is most in line with its immediate interests. There is also an old woman in the film, the old aunt of Farmand, who is also an excellent supporting role. She dozed off a lot when she played poker, but she was the clearest mind on key issues. Viscount Falmand is probably the only seed of the old aunt's noble family. Falmand died under the sword of the music teacher in a duel, which undoubtedly broke the continuation of his noble family bloodline, so when the old aunt was at the funeral of Falmand When she learned that Cecil was pregnant with the seed of Farmand, she smiled knowingly on her sad face, and praised Cecil as "my sweet angel", even when the emperor arrived. At the luxurious wedding ceremony of Cecil and Jean Ku, who was present, he also gave Cecil a glance. From the protagonist to the supporting role, the film has successfully created a series of vivid and distinctive female images for us. In a certain sense, it can also be said that it is an encyclopedia about female psychology.
Mrs. Melday ends up letting two virgins, Cecil and her music teacher, lose their lives before marriage
Ma Huijie: In the old aunt's clubhouse, the male protagonist, Farmand, is traveling among three women. He is a veteran in love, and the ignorance of the people around him does not allow him to see this person clearly. Mrs. Judge stood her ground and finally left. Simple little girl. The heroine, Mrs. Melday, is sophisticated. Later, in order to achieve her goal, she did a lot of work to deal with the little girl and the music teacher.
Van Damien: She ended up letting two virgins, Cecil and her music teacher, lose their lives before marriage. The most shocking part of the film is not that the little girl Cecil lost her life as a viscount, because this is what we all knew beforehand, and it is the highest task that Mrs. Melday has set for herself in this film, nothing more than this. The task is specifically to appoint a viscount to implement it. The real shock is that Madame Melday opens her bedroom door, showing the Viscount and showing us the naked music teacher sitting on her bed. Undoubtedly, Mrs. Melday is here to carry out this task by herself, that is, to take the virginity of the young music teacher with her own body, and this task was originally unknown or unplanned. , so it can also be said to be a random additional "extra bonus". Mrs. Melday is so powerful, it should be said that this is what it is! She really deserves to be an authentic "merry widow", and it can also be said that the word "most poisonous" in "the most poisonous woman's heart" is the poison here. Here, we also witness the real "ability" of Mrs. Melday-because the music teacher came to her apartment to threaten her with his sword and threatened to kill her. What about the situation? What kind of "charm" did Mrs. Melday use to conquer this boy with softness and strength? The film completely hides this transformation behind the scenes, thus creating a lot of suspense for the audience.
The relationship between Mrs. Melday and Viscount Falmand, intrigue, is a love-hate relationship
Chi Yunfei: The relationship between Mrs. Melday and Viscount Falmand, intrigue, is a love-hate relationship. Both are romantic, but she still has feelings for the Viscount. At the final wedding, she still looked lost.
How a woman's heart is, is even more important. Women who are very bad at heart really have to beware of
Cao Weifen: Everyone has their own attitudes and practices towards love and friends. Some women like to control others, while others are at the mercy of others. Different personalities have different ways of doing things.
Sun Fengfeng: How a woman's heart is, is even more important. If she is beautiful and gentle, you will not see her evil; she is capable and can control everyone in her hands; she is jealous and has a bad heart, but you still think she is not bad, but in fact she is in her heart Very bad, trying to frame you. There will be such women in society, and you must be careful.
When the judge's wife could no longer stop the Viscount's strong attack, she was still faithful to her own feelings
, He Ji: for love, there are differences between men and women. Generally speaking, men focus on lust, while women focus on emotions.
Chen Hua: The judge's wife is loyal to herself. She is not directly in love with the Viscount; When she returned home, the Viscount also rushed to her, and finally she could no longer hold back, which was still true to her own emotions. Because she had true love for him, she eventually went to visit his cemetery.
Fan Daming: From the performance of the film, Mrs. Tove was accompanied by a man to the cemetery. This man should be her former judge husband. The judge was reasonable and apparently forgiving of the emotional experience his wife had with the viscount; let alone the man was dead.
Fu Peiying: The film shows people's good and evil, and also shows people's pursuit of sincere love.
In addition to the common sense view of women or marriage, the
film shows another view of women or marriage. In the film, Mrs. Melday taught Cecil that marriage is marriage, and a lover is a lover. You should not sympathize with people, marry someone you really like, and let the person you like keep him as your lover. outside of marriage. This was probably the general rule among the aristocracy in the 18th century.
Tang Rong: Actually, the situation reflected in the film also has its commonality and universality. It is not only an unspoken rule of the upper class in the 18th century. Of course, its poison is a kind of erosion, and it has also damaged the little girl. This also exists in modern society, and in this way, human nature is evil.
Fan Daming: It is necessary to ensure that every man and woman in a marriage relationship is based on sincere love. This looks beautiful on the surface. How can this happen in real life? For most people, this is fundamental. Hard to do. If we insist on this, it will eventually lead to countless tragedies in love or marriage. There is also the so-called "concept of chastity", which is actually very harmful. In this regard, Madame Merdey's conception of women or marriage, that is to abandon the so-called love marriage that only exists in ideals, may also contain some reasonable core, its feudal concept before the French Revolution. In the imperial society, there is still a certain advance, although this is from her position as a slutty woman.
The director's level is very high. Women of three ages have different personalities and are well portrayed.
Zhang Xiaoping: The director is very good. The film describes three types of women: old, middle and young: Mrs. Melday is "old", evil and poisonous; the judge's wife is "middle", kind and prudent to others; Cecil is "green" and doesn't understand anything . Women of three ages have different personalities and are well portrayed.
A woman like Mrs. Melday is just a victim, and in fact she is a product of society
. She is very fond of Jean Kuman, and I hope he will come back on Monday or Tuesday, which shows that she is not satisfied, she is very eager for love, and Jean Ku is likely to have other women. Here, the situation that she was just a victim, just a plaything of others, was also revealed. A woman like Mrs. Melday is actually a product of society.
It is pleasing to watch
Zhao Lingling shoot the novel form of the literary masterpiece into a film: the film reflects the life of the Western aristocracy; if it is only the novel form of the literary masterpiece, it will not be so vividly watchable. Shooting it into a film, not only the plot twists, but also the complete reproduction of the social and historical background, is pleasing to the eye.
Fan Daming: I heard the same applause after the film was finished today, which proves that the film is really exciting; it was late, and there were still many people left for the discussion, and the discussions were very lively, and some questions of different understandings were also raised. This video can be seen online, if in doubt, you can go home and watch it on your computer, it is also worth watching again. thank you all!
April 21-22, 2015 Finishing
Addendum: Main Cast
Roles (Actors)
Cast
Valmont (Colin Firth)
Merteuil (Annette Bening)
Tourvel (Meg Tilly)
Cecile (Fairuza Balk)
Madame de Volanges (Sian Phillips)
Gercourt (Jeffrey Jones ) )
Danceny (Henry Thomas)
Madame de Rosemonde (Fabia Drake)
Baron (TPMcKenna)
Baroness (Isla Blair)
Azolan (Ian McNeice)
Victoire (Aleta Mitchell)
Jose (Ronald Lacey)
Jean (Vincent Schiavelli)
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